1 00:00:02,220 --> 00:00:10,350 foreign 2 00:00:47,170 --> 00:00:19,450 [Music] 3 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:49,850 this is Martin Willis and this is a 4 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:52,140 special edition it's about an hour long 5 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:54,600 or so with my good buddy Alejandro Rojas 6 00:00:59,630 --> 00:00:56,879 and we're going to be talking about The 7 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:59,640 Whistleblower I call it a bombshell it 8 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:01,379 hasn't exploded like a bombshell should 9 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:04,320 but um there there is still it's it's 10 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:08,040 gaining momentum in the media and I was 11 00:01:13,969 --> 00:01:10,200 thinking uh who would be a really good 12 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:13,979 person to talk uh to about this and 13 00:01:19,609 --> 00:01:16,380 Alejandro came to mind right away uh 14 00:01:21,890 --> 00:01:19,619 Ralph Blumenthal will be on uh and that 15 00:01:24,410 --> 00:01:21,900 will be released I believe at Friday at 16 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:24,420 8pm so check this YouTube channel out 17 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:27,180 then but anyway Ralph uh Blumenthal 18 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:29,100 being one of the journalists 19 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:32,700 um so Alejandro and I will be discussing 20 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:36,060 this you know what we know and 21 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:36,780 um 22 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:38,520 Alejandro welcome 23 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:42,060 hello great to see your your cheery face 24 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:45,240 again it's great to be back on this 25 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:48,360 wonderful show with my wonderful buddy 26 00:01:56,210 --> 00:01:52,920 Martin Willis yeah you bet uh Alejandro 27 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:56,220 so you know you you also we're going to 28 00:02:01,789 --> 00:01:58,619 be talking talking about Enigma Labs as 29 00:02:03,710 --> 00:02:01,799 well but let's talk about this whole 30 00:02:06,370 --> 00:02:03,720 thing you know that that will will save 31 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:06,380 for the end of the show but basically 32 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,140 this uh was it was quite the news that I 33 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:12,959 woke up to I was I was kind of kind of 34 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:16,620 surprised to see the debrief had 35 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:18,959 released it and um I'm sure their 36 00:02:23,089 --> 00:02:20,700 website is getting 37 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:23,099 I'm surprised it's still up you know 38 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:25,020 with the amount of traffic it's been it 39 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:27,480 has been getting but um a little 40 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:29,700 surprise that it was published in that 41 00:02:33,650 --> 00:02:31,860 it's a great they do a great job and I'm 42 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:33,660 not belittling them in any type of way 43 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:36,000 at all I'm just saying that I was 44 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:39,000 surprised it we didn't see it like in in 45 00:02:43,790 --> 00:02:41,700 the Press you know as as something would 46 00:02:44,750 --> 00:02:43,800 really seem to gain a ton of momentum 47 00:02:45,949 --> 00:02:44,760 that way 48 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:45,959 mm-hmm 49 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:48,300 yeah I agree 100 50 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:50,940 um you know uh I you know there were 51 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:54,239 rumors going on on UFO Twitter that uh 52 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:56,519 someone would be stepping forward yeah 53 00:03:01,369 --> 00:02:58,739 uh and that it would be someone who was 54 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:01,379 credible and had uh 55 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:04,200 um you know an interesting background 56 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:06,780 um there was even I think and his name 57 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:07,920 leaked 58 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:11,159 um somewhere or in a couple places 59 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:12,360 um 60 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:15,000 and I had you know at least a little bit 61 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:18,420 of information to about you know some 62 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:21,180 media working on it so I was also 63 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:24,060 surprised to see it pop up I think UFO 64 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:25,440 Twitter was under the assumption The 65 00:03:29,170 --> 00:03:27,480 Washington Post would be putting this 66 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:29,180 out yeah 67 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:32,700 yeah it was the debrief 68 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,000 um like you not because of uh the 69 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:38,640 debrief itself I think it's an excellent 70 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:41,519 Outlet I'm a huge fan of the debrief and 71 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:45,180 and all the writers involved yeah and uh 72 00:03:50,809 --> 00:03:48,840 uh I guess it but like you the story or 73 00:03:53,149 --> 00:03:50,819 the claims are so big you would want to 74 00:03:55,009 --> 00:03:53,159 see that on on something larger however 75 00:03:57,410 --> 00:03:55,019 you know 76 00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:57,420 um not again not to disparage a debrief 77 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:00,480 at all but you do have like some Nuance 78 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:02,400 some quirks where I think that you 79 00:04:08,630 --> 00:04:06,239 wouldn't see in larger Outlets 80 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:08,640 um and uh you know there were people out 81 00:04:13,789 --> 00:04:10,560 there like Bryce Sable the Roswell Daily 82 00:04:15,890 --> 00:04:13,799 News saying that uh other outlets had 83 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:15,900 passed on the story 84 00:04:20,090 --> 00:04:17,940 um I could see that because you know 85 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:20,100 there aren't any receipts it's once 86 00:04:24,170 --> 00:04:22,320 again claims that we have to trust the 87 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:24,180 the anecdotal information from one 88 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:27,000 person or uh in this case also the 89 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:28,440 reporters and what they claim to have 90 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:29,820 seen 91 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:32,280 um and you know that that's not as juicy 92 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:33,840 right it's not as 93 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:36,540 um substantial as a lot of outlets would 94 00:04:39,290 --> 00:04:37,620 want 95 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:39,300 um but you know I from what I understand 96 00:04:43,749 --> 00:04:41,160 they were working on it and then Ralph 97 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:43,759 Blumenthal had tweeted that 98 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:47,880 he they didn't they were being pressured 99 00:04:51,409 --> 00:04:49,320 um he didn't claim who they were being 100 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:51,419 pressured by but they were being 101 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:53,460 pressured to get the story out as soon 102 00:04:58,189 --> 00:04:55,680 as possible and that's why they didn't 103 00:05:00,590 --> 00:04:58,199 want to wait for the other agencies they 104 00:05:01,749 --> 00:05:00,600 just went straight with the debrief 105 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:01,759 um 106 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:05,580 what do you think uh that's about who 107 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:07,620 would be leaking that so what we get on 108 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:10,380 UFO Twitter and I had I got a call a 109 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:11,759 couple weeks ago 110 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:13,500 um from someone about this that you know 111 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:15,540 expected to come out in the Washington 112 00:05:19,450 --> 00:05:17,699 Post it was supposed to be last Monday 113 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:19,460 not this Monday but the Monday before 114 00:05:24,170 --> 00:05:22,320 and so you know first thing got up early 115 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:24,180 that Monday morning and looked at the 116 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:26,940 Washington Post saw nothing and um but 117 00:05:31,370 --> 00:05:29,759 how do you suppose that got out there I 118 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:31,380 mean you would think that they 119 00:05:36,430 --> 00:05:34,020 themselves would keep it very quiet I'm 120 00:05:38,590 --> 00:05:36,440 talking about Ralph and Leslie 121 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:38,600 well 122 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:42,000 you know when you're going around 123 00:05:44,990 --> 00:05:43,020 um 124 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:45,000 to different outlets and sharing 125 00:05:48,529 --> 00:05:46,800 information 126 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:48,539 um to kind of Groom them and find out 127 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:50,940 who wants to share this story then 128 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:52,820 you're sharing it with a lot of people 129 00:05:59,450 --> 00:05:57,600 uh and so inevitably or you know the 130 00:06:02,810 --> 00:05:59,460 more you share it with the more chances 131 00:06:05,890 --> 00:06:02,820 it's going to get leaked so uh the 132 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:05,900 Roswell Daily News had been you know 133 00:06:10,909 --> 00:06:08,460 obviously in the loop to some degree 134 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:10,919 because they were kind of giving clues 135 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:13,440 that they knew what was coming up 136 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:14,520 um 137 00:06:17,570 --> 00:06:16,500 something like a week before it had come 138 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:17,580 out they said this was going to be 139 00:06:24,409 --> 00:06:20,039 information coming from Colorado which 140 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:24,419 it did uh so uh and this is actually 141 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:27,840 turns out to be an individual who 142 00:06:32,330 --> 00:06:30,360 people have been working with in the 143 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:32,340 past uh for the last two or three years 144 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:35,460 he was a part of the UAB task force all 145 00:06:42,529 --> 00:06:39,600 right uh famously uh now the two people 146 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:42,539 who ran the UAP task force 147 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:45,419 um Jay Stratton and Dr Travis Taylor who 148 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:47,699 is the lead scientists are on television 149 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:50,220 now on the skinwalker TV show on a 150 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:52,800 regular basis yeah they're also touring 151 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:55,620 with aliencon and the Ancient Aliens 152 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:58,080 group so you know these are all very 153 00:07:01,909 --> 00:06:59,880 high profile people so I think that's 154 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:01,919 how some of this information started to 155 00:07:07,790 --> 00:07:04,680 get out there I see yeah that makes 156 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:07,800 sense well what do we know about David 157 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:11,160 um Gersh uh I believe that's I may be 158 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:13,860 pronouncing his name a little bit off 159 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:17,100 but it's it's it's something like that 160 00:07:22,189 --> 00:07:20,340 um do we know a lot about them obviously 161 00:07:25,129 --> 00:07:22,199 um there is enough out there for 162 00:07:27,650 --> 00:07:25,139 information that he was involved in 163 00:07:31,730 --> 00:07:27,660 everything he was I believe I heard that 164 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:31,740 he had something like a uh clearance 165 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:35,160 good enough for over uh 2 000 programs 166 00:07:39,409 --> 00:07:37,740 or something like that so he's is he 167 00:07:41,809 --> 00:07:39,419 seems very legit 168 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:41,819 I guess what I'm you know we hear the 169 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:43,440 positive and negatives when anything 170 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:46,800 like this happens we always do 171 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:47,520 um 172 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:52,080 the positives are his integrity 173 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:54,000 um the negatives are well there's no 174 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:55,380 first hand 175 00:07:59,870 --> 00:07:57,599 knowledge there's no uh he didn't 176 00:08:01,909 --> 00:07:59,880 actually see things personally these are 177 00:08:04,730 --> 00:08:01,919 things that were told to him however the 178 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:04,740 people that told it to him are very high 179 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:06,720 clearance uh people that would know 180 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:09,180 these type of things so 181 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:11,460 um I don't think that he would be I mean 182 00:08:16,249 --> 00:08:13,080 I personally don't think that he would 183 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:16,259 be used as a disinformation agent type 184 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:18,000 of thing I don't I mean that that's 185 00:08:20,809 --> 00:08:19,500 that's kind of silly what are your 186 00:08:23,809 --> 00:08:20,819 thoughts on that 187 00:08:25,909 --> 00:08:23,819 I mean I think anything's possible uh 188 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:25,919 you know he's definitely a credible 189 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:28,680 person uh high level he's worked for 190 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:31,640 National geospatial Intelligence Agency 191 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:34,260 uh and the nro which is a national 192 00:08:40,909 --> 00:08:37,260 reconnaissance office 193 00:08:42,889 --> 00:08:40,919 um both you know agencies that are you 194 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:42,899 know when it comes to geospatial they're 195 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:44,580 in charge of satellite satellite 196 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:47,760 observation National reconnaissance the 197 00:08:53,389 --> 00:08:49,940 similar type of things so these are both 198 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:53,399 intelligence agencies you know using um 199 00:08:59,389 --> 00:08:55,560 technology to observe what's in the 200 00:09:01,610 --> 00:08:59,399 skies uh and looking for unknown so he's 201 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:01,620 definitely very credible uh there have 202 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:04,920 been many people who have come out to uh 203 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:07,800 to say that he's an up and up guy that 204 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:11,339 he's very honest that he uh to 205 00:09:16,850 --> 00:09:13,200 substantiate that he did work in those 206 00:09:18,829 --> 00:09:16,860 departments so he seems to have a lot of 207 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:18,839 credibility 208 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:24,420 um the issue comes back to though is in 209 00:09:29,329 --> 00:09:27,000 what he's claiming so he's claiming that 210 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:29,339 you know as a part of the UAP task force 211 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:31,980 he had people coming to him to tell him 212 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:35,220 these um you know these organizations 213 00:09:39,889 --> 00:09:37,680 exist these uh programs that are 214 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:39,899 technically off the books 215 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:41,880 or are technically illegal because 216 00:09:46,250 --> 00:09:44,220 they're shirking you know Congressional 217 00:09:47,570 --> 00:09:46,260 reporting they're not reporting to 218 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:47,580 Congress like they should be what 219 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:49,080 they're doing 220 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:50,760 um in order to keep secret what they've 221 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:53,100 been working on which is allegedly you 222 00:09:58,910 --> 00:09:55,560 know uh back engineering or working on 223 00:10:01,910 --> 00:09:58,920 retrieving crashed objects 224 00:10:03,889 --> 00:10:01,920 um including bodies uh he says that 225 00:10:06,769 --> 00:10:03,899 there's been and and this is the part 226 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:06,779 that I think I have a hard time uh 227 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:08,760 really wrapping my head around or a hard 228 00:10:13,910 --> 00:10:11,640 pill to swallow that for the last 90 229 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:13,920 years there's been an international arms 230 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:17,220 race centered around retrieving alien 231 00:10:22,130 --> 00:10:20,220 technology and using it to create 232 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:22,140 weapons 233 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:22,920 um 234 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:25,380 that's a bit difficult to understand I 235 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:27,000 mean we don't really I don't think we've 236 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:29,040 seen that with our eyes you know 237 00:10:35,389 --> 00:10:32,399 historically so uh I really have a hard 238 00:10:36,650 --> 00:10:35,399 time believing that would be the case uh 239 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:36,660 and 240 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:38,580 you know 241 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:40,560 the people who have come forward thus 242 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:42,959 far including louisando 243 00:10:48,590 --> 00:10:46,260 um Eric Davis uh Dr Eric Davis who you 244 00:10:52,130 --> 00:10:48,600 know I interviewed who told me similar 245 00:10:55,790 --> 00:10:52,140 things uh years ago 246 00:10:56,930 --> 00:10:55,800 you know they're very credible 247 00:10:59,030 --> 00:10:56,940 um and they've been telling these 248 00:11:01,190 --> 00:10:59,040 stories for a long time but we're 249 00:11:03,710 --> 00:11:01,200 lacking receipts we're lacking any proof 250 00:11:06,889 --> 00:11:03,720 of any of this and this is another 251 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:06,899 person to add to that list of credible 252 00:11:11,569 --> 00:11:09,839 people making incredible claims but have 253 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:11,579 yet to 254 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,440 um you know substantiate those claims 255 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,839 and I think that's where we're at we're 256 00:11:19,069 --> 00:11:17,519 at so I mean I know a lot of people 257 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:19,079 interested in this field are getting 258 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:22,740 really excited uh but I think that it's 259 00:11:27,790 --> 00:11:25,440 premature uh having done this and 260 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:27,800 written about this for a very long time 261 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:30,360 uh being someone who's interviewed all 262 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:31,800 these people and knows a lot of them 263 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:35,279 firsthand for for decades now 264 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:38,040 um like I said on Twitter is that a lot 265 00:11:44,509 --> 00:11:40,380 of times these stories can fall apart in 266 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:44,519 unforeseen ways uh some people ask you 267 00:11:49,069 --> 00:11:46,980 know make the point hey you know if this 268 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:49,079 guy was was lying he's going to get in a 269 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:51,240 lot of trouble he would never lie well 270 00:11:57,170 --> 00:11:53,720 just because he's sharing information 271 00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:57,180 that uh that he believes and has been 272 00:12:02,990 --> 00:11:59,519 convinced Israel uh doesn't mean he's 273 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:03,000 lying but it also at least we don't know 274 00:12:08,329 --> 00:12:06,060 for a fact that he's also correct and I 275 00:12:11,290 --> 00:12:08,339 think that's what we need to wait for uh 276 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:11,300 that'll hopefully happen and 277 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,399 go ahead no no no no you had continue 278 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:16,320 your thoughts sorry 279 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:19,560 I was just gonna say uh you know and 280 00:12:23,569 --> 00:12:20,820 it's kind of funny someone just said 281 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:23,579 Stephen they won't substantiate ever and 282 00:12:30,110 --> 00:12:27,300 that's the hard part is uh the path to 283 00:12:32,690 --> 00:12:30,120 substantiating this information is 284 00:12:34,430 --> 00:12:32,700 somewhat difficult uh in other words if 285 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:34,440 they had shared classified information 286 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,200 with Congress and you know Congress 287 00:12:41,329 --> 00:12:38,880 won't share classified information 288 00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:41,339 either at least people have been 289 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:44,820 um you know read in or who have uh you 290 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:46,740 know they're who are also you know 291 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:48,120 they're not supposed to share classified 292 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:51,120 information what they have to do is ask 293 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:53,160 the Pentagon which is part of the 294 00:12:58,009 --> 00:12:55,980 executive branch to release this 295 00:12:59,509 --> 00:12:58,019 information publicly and they may not 296 00:13:00,650 --> 00:12:59,519 want to 297 00:13:03,470 --> 00:13:00,660 um and who knows what information 298 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:03,480 Congress has given they may feel that 299 00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:06,180 secrecy is Justified uh you know there's 300 00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:09,779 a lot of scenarios in which perhaps 301 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:12,420 uh the information is not substantiated 302 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:16,560 so again we have you know an another 303 00:13:21,889 --> 00:13:19,800 credible person making incredible claims 304 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:21,899 that they just can't you know get their 305 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:23,940 hands on the receipts to prove to the 306 00:13:29,569 --> 00:13:27,120 public that's the case and I think that 307 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:29,579 you know a lot of people are we all saw 308 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:31,500 last week and this news has kind of 309 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:34,380 taken over the headlines even though we 310 00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:38,160 had this uh incredible four-hour panel 311 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:40,579 discussion you know with NASA last week 312 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:43,980 and uh NASA is taking the stance that 313 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:45,720 you know we've just got to collect the 314 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:48,420 data on our own we can't trust that uh 315 00:13:54,530 --> 00:13:52,560 we'll get data from the military and we 316 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:54,540 need to be careful and understand the 317 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,820 type of data that we're getting 318 00:14:01,009 --> 00:13:59,040 um and I don't think that's a bad angle 319 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:01,019 I'm a board member of the scientific 320 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:03,240 Coalition for UAP studies and that's the 321 00:14:10,730 --> 00:14:06,480 same angle we take is that we're focused 322 00:14:13,129 --> 00:14:10,740 on Gathering data uh writing papers on 323 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:13,139 the data that we can gather to to have a 324 00:14:17,629 --> 00:14:14,760 better understanding of this phenomena 325 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:17,639 but we don't want to wait for people to 326 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:19,860 share information with us 327 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:22,620 um when work can be done right now and I 328 00:14:28,009 --> 00:14:24,540 think that was a suggestion with NASA 329 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:28,019 was to go start Gathering the data you 330 00:14:32,050 --> 00:14:30,180 need to do scientific investigation and 331 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,060 then do that scientific investigation 332 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:34,500 now I think one thing people have to 333 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,180 consider is if the military starts to 334 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:38,399 make some of these claims then the 335 00:14:41,569 --> 00:14:40,019 scientific in the community is still 336 00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:41,579 going to say prove it 337 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:43,380 because 338 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,880 um you know one of the things that Eric 339 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:46,800 Davis had shared with me is that you 340 00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:49,980 know doing uh science in Black projects 341 00:14:55,970 --> 00:14:52,199 uh you know special access programs is 342 00:14:58,490 --> 00:14:55,980 very difficult because 343 00:15:00,290 --> 00:14:58,500 science takes cooperation that's why 344 00:15:02,269 --> 00:15:00,300 there's transparency you're working with 345 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,279 a lot of different experts in their 346 00:15:06,769 --> 00:15:04,800 various fields to get input to do your 347 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:06,779 research and if you're working on a 348 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:09,060 black project you've got only a limited 349 00:15:12,769 --> 00:15:10,500 amount of people who can work on that 350 00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,779 that are read into the project if you 351 00:15:15,889 --> 00:15:14,399 want to work with someone else you've 352 00:15:18,590 --> 00:15:15,899 got to get them read into the project 353 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:18,600 and that can take literally years to get 354 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:20,820 them uh the security clearances they 355 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:24,120 need and that so it's very difficult to 356 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:25,920 do that sort of research that's why Dr 357 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:28,980 Davis claims that you know that the 358 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:31,260 objects that have been found have been 359 00:15:36,350 --> 00:15:33,320 locked away kind of like Indiana Jones 360 00:15:38,569 --> 00:15:36,360 and they're waiting until you know they 361 00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:38,579 understand more about the nature of the 362 00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:40,920 the technology before they go try to 363 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:42,839 take another stab at it 364 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:44,760 but that they just can't make heads or 365 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:46,040 tails because they don't have enough 366 00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:48,420 cooperation and big enough team to work 367 00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:50,940 on it so I mean there's there's a lot of 368 00:15:56,509 --> 00:15:52,980 nuance there's a lot 369 00:15:59,810 --> 00:15:56,519 um going on that uh 370 00:16:03,410 --> 00:15:59,820 that we need to wait and be patient and 371 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:03,420 um watch this whole thing you know uh as 372 00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:04,860 it progresses but it does seem to be 373 00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:07,019 progressing pretty quickly because you 374 00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:08,399 definitely have a lot of people coming 375 00:16:13,069 --> 00:16:10,560 out that at least are saying hey this 376 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:13,079 guy's very credible and now we've had at 377 00:16:17,569 --> 00:16:15,420 least one um person from the house maybe 378 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:17,579 even two I think maybe temperature as 379 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:19,380 well who have come out and said we want 380 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:21,000 to have Congressional hearings and we 381 00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:23,940 want to ask the Pentagon about this uh 382 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:36,110 well um Alejandra I seem to be I don't 383 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:38,040 know if you're seeing me clearly here 384 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:39,480 but I seem to be having a little bit of 385 00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:41,820 a problem with my internet 386 00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:45,000 um I I'm gonna put this up uh this up 387 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:46,500 because this is something the Pentagon 388 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:50,220 released yesterday midday and uh I'm 389 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:53,880 going to uh reboot my internet and I 390 00:16:58,370 --> 00:16:56,699 want if you could talk uh to the uh 391 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:58,380 audience on this 392 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:00,600 um until I come right back 393 00:17:09,530 --> 00:17:07,130 all right so here uh this was released 394 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:09,540 midday yesterday 395 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:14,160 and they are saying yes and but let me 396 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:16,260 just ask you this before I go and reboot 397 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,220 here 398 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:19,559 um did is this would could this be 399 00:17:26,030 --> 00:17:23,040 possible that they just plain 400 00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:26,040 uh would not know because it was not 401 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:27,240 shared 402 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:28,060 with them 403 00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:29,460 [Music] 404 00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:32,160 that's um difficult to say as well there 405 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:33,960 are people who are claiming that you 406 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:36,960 know um Arrow doesn't have the authority 407 00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:38,940 or enough of a clearance to be able to 408 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,450 um so uh but there are other people that 409 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:49,200 are claiming that actually there were 410 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:51,720 special provisions 411 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:54,660 that do allow Aero to have this sort of 412 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:56,460 information 413 00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,620 um this particular uh thing that you 414 00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:00,960 shared with me was from Susan Goff uh 415 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:05,039 the representative from the Pentagon and 416 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,039 you know let me I also tweeted that out 417 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,840 so let me look at it so I could read 418 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:11,940 kind of the audience everything that was 419 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:16,380 said in there but it's very similar to 420 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,740 um what they've said previously uh when 421 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,080 items like this have come up but they're 422 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,660 saying today Arrow has not discovered 423 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,640 any verifiable information to 424 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:28,559 substantiate claims that any programs 425 00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:30,120 regarding the possession of reverse 426 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:32,100 engineering or extraterrestrial 427 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:34,140 materials have existed in the past or 428 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:36,539 exist currently error was committed to 429 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:38,460 following the data and its investigation 430 00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:41,220 wherever it leads Arrow working with the 431 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:43,020 office of the general counsel and the 432 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:44,280 Air Force office of and special 433 00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,160 investigations has established a safe 434 00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:49,620 and secure process for individuals to 435 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,660 come forward with information to Aid air 436 00:18:57,049 --> 00:18:54,000 Row in its congressionally mandated 437 00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:57,059 historical review Eros historical review 438 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:00,240 of records and testimony is ongoing and 439 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,660 due to Congress by June 2024 era 440 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:05,280 welcomes the opportunity to speak with 441 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:06,780 any former or current government 442 00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:09,600 employee or contractor who believes they 443 00:19:15,289 --> 00:19:12,059 have information relevant to this 444 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:15,299 historical review and I think one of the 445 00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:18,720 key phrases in this is that they uh they 446 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:22,020 don't have any verifiable information to 447 00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:24,539 substantiate the claims because remember 448 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,179 we are talking about at least in this 449 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:29,460 case you know one person who's come 450 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:31,080 forward and and they would need to 451 00:19:36,289 --> 00:19:33,660 verify those claims if there are others 452 00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:36,299 who have come forward as well 453 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,799 um you know they they need to 454 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:39,360 substantiate it I don't think they're 455 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:41,100 going to take anybody's word for 456 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:43,980 something as uh substantial as this 457 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:45,960 they're going to do the work to try to 458 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:48,299 substantiate that information which 459 00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:50,460 could be uh something that takes a lot 460 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,620 of time and and it's difficult so if 461 00:19:56,090 --> 00:19:54,240 someone comes in and says you know they 462 00:19:57,529 --> 00:19:56,100 were part of a program that was buried 463 00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:57,539 under this program and under this 464 00:20:01,610 --> 00:20:00,059 program and under this program then 465 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:01,620 there's a lot of kind of Investigation 466 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:04,740 work that has to be done to go ferret 467 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:06,840 that information out and that certainly 468 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:09,419 can take time so it may be the case that 469 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,120 you know uh this could be just it could 470 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,120 be that they are in the process of 471 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,520 reviewing this information 472 00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:20,100 because we've heard from Chris Mellon 473 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:22,500 and this article in particular that 474 00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:24,660 um you know arrow and and Congress has 475 00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:26,580 been approached and that information has 476 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:28,440 been shared so 477 00:20:33,529 --> 00:20:31,320 um but again you know they they've got a 478 00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:33,539 um vet that information so they have to 479 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,840 do the investigation to figure it out 480 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:38,640 um but let's see I think Martin's not 481 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,440 back yet but let me look at some of the 482 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:42,720 questions that you guys have 483 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:43,460 um 484 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:49,850 news Nation uh yeah that's another news 485 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:52,679 outlet that did interview Crush um I 486 00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:53,880 would definitely highly recommend 487 00:20:58,610 --> 00:20:57,299 everybody looking at news Nation uh I've 488 00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,620 been tweeting those out and of course 489 00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,000 you can see on the screen my Twitter 490 00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:02,700 handle there uh news nation has 491 00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:04,620 interviewed gresh and they've got more 492 00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,080 follow-up interviews going on 493 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:09,720 um today uh and possibly throughout the 494 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:11,100 week it seems like they're really 495 00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:13,140 running with his story 496 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:14,520 um which is great that there is an 497 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:17,400 outlet that is covering it uh and you 498 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:18,900 know someone asked me earlier they 499 00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,580 suggested well what if the Washington 500 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,799 Post is still trying to vet this story 501 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:25,200 will they post the story if they're able 502 00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:26,700 to do that 503 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,140 um that's really interesting that could 504 00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:30,780 be possible so we'll see what's going on 505 00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:32,340 with that 506 00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:33,179 um 507 00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:39,539 we've just again got to be patient and 508 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:41,700 and wait to get more information because 509 00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:44,280 we do have to 510 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:45,000 um 511 00:21:51,649 --> 00:21:49,679 waiting for something more substantial 512 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:51,659 to substantiate this 513 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,460 yeah someone mentioned the title 10 514 00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:55,500 versus the title 50 those are different 515 00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,860 types of levels of administration uh 516 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,960 when it comes to the government 517 00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:02,400 um and that's where the point is being 518 00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,020 made that uh Arrow uh has a lower level 519 00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:09,000 of uh Administration than is necessary 520 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,539 but there were Provisions in the ndaa to 521 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:14,400 account for that so they could receive 522 00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:16,740 this sort of information 523 00:22:21,529 --> 00:22:19,620 um Douglas Dean Johnson 524 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,539 is kind of a specialist in this area 525 00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:23,580 someone else you can find on Twitter 526 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:26,900 that can give more information on that 527 00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:30,780 uh someone says all I know is that I'm 528 00:22:34,909 --> 00:22:32,940 getting more and more confused as uh 529 00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,919 this information comes on oh look at 530 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:37,760 this I've got Martin Willis calling me 531 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:40,200 on my phone let's see what happened to 532 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,850 yep you're on speaker 533 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:49,679 yeah I'm terribly sorry I'm I'm working 534 00:22:54,409 --> 00:22:51,480 I've rebooted my Internet it's not 535 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,419 coming back and uh but hang in there I'm 536 00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:56,640 gonna try to get back in as soon as I 537 00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,299 can and uh this is I I seem to be having 538 00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,220 trouble this is in my main location I'm 539 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:04,260 going to be in South Carolina in a 540 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:05,700 couple weeks down there for quite a 541 00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:08,460 while so that's uh what do they call 542 00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:10,919 that fiber optics down there so 543 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,080 if you get to go down there but uh sorry 544 00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:15,720 you have that image up in front of you I 545 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,159 don't know if people can hear me over 546 00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,679 the microphone but uh probably 547 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,840 yeah all right 548 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,000 this will be interesting it's still no 549 00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:28,080 internet here uh so uh 550 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:30,659 let's see as we're going along well I do 551 00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:32,100 want to answer a question here and I'd 552 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,900 love to hear your response too because I 553 00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,000 think we have a similar perspective they 554 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,520 said could bobblazar actually be legit 555 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:40,620 and I think that's that's a dangerous 556 00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:41,580 thing 557 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,260 um you know all of the people in the 558 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,360 past who have had really wild claims 559 00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,700 this doesn't necessarily validate those 560 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:50,520 claims and um Bob Lazar had very 561 00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:53,400 specific things and I don't think that 562 00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:55,500 uh what we're hearing from gresh does 563 00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:58,500 validate what Bob Lazar is saying 564 00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:59,159 um 565 00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,100 I've done that yesterday I had some an 566 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:04,380 email yesterday someone saying exactly 567 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,159 the same thing and uh you know I mean 568 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:10,559 you you're making a good point there's 569 00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,940 there's uh 570 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,159 and I always get a lot of grief when I 571 00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,080 talk about you know bubbles are but 572 00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,780 there's there's so many holes you can 573 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,419 punch through that that story you know a 574 00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:23,840 couple of things are coincidentally 575 00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,880 interesting but um you know it seems 576 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,679 like he may have had some information 577 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,480 but 578 00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:32,940 um I I don't you know with with all the 579 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,780 other 580 00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,360 um things that 581 00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:38,220 uh makes his story fall apart I don't 582 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:40,140 think it really validates him in any 583 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,820 type of way I'm sure there are plenty of 584 00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:44,640 people out there that really uh want to 585 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,500 make it work uh fit you know so so 586 00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:52,500 bubbles are has a a standing 587 00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,059 um you know that I'm sure they're going 588 00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,360 to want to try to make this a part of 589 00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:59,760 what they believe that makes this uh 590 00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:02,039 Story the truth and someone's making a 591 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,900 point net here is that Lazar has the 592 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,760 ability now to go through that whistle 593 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:08,520 blower process but he's not 594 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:11,820 um and I think that's a great point also 595 00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,820 you know to your point is that we're 596 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:16,799 coming across more and more information 597 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,260 there are researchers out there who are 598 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,480 really kind of finding more and more 599 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:23,820 information about Lazar uh being 600 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:26,820 untruthful about his past and you know 601 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,360 his his his criminal past 602 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,600 um so I think the uh the background 603 00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,360 there is is sketchy 604 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,919 um I wouldn't necessarily say that 605 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,260 Stanton thought Bob Lazar was legit 606 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,240 that's actually I knew Stanton very well 607 00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:45,179 he's a friend of mine he felt that uh 608 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,059 Lazar was lying about his 609 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,679 um educational background and there was 610 00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:51,960 no doubt about it 611 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,700 um 612 00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,880 I've said on this show that I have 613 00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,559 someone that can do 614 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:01,679 amazing that's involved in MIT that's 615 00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,480 all I'm going to say in the records 616 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,580 research and 617 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:07,500 uh that person said it's absolutely 618 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,779 impossible that he was there because 619 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,480 with all the redundancy of Records 620 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,679 there's no way it could have been 621 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,559 expunged all the way through and you 622 00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:18,900 know uh so when someone lies about their 623 00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,419 education what else how can you trust 624 00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:23,340 every everything that they say that type 625 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:25,620 of thing moralize 626 00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:26,760 um if you look at his criminal 627 00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,620 background and you look at some of the 628 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,360 uh you know 629 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:33,120 criminal records uh there's a whole 630 00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:37,020 history of uh lies and and poor 631 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:38,760 information being shared there in fact 632 00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,200 you know 633 00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:42,659 um it seemed like he had a tendency to 634 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,539 just make stuff up 635 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,820 um instead of sharing the truth if you 636 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,559 really look at his background and his 637 00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:51,360 claims in in the past and there's a lot 638 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:53,220 more of that coming out and again 639 00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:55,380 Douglas Dean Johnson is another great 640 00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,679 source for some of that information but 641 00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,299 uh some people are asking you know where 642 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:01,919 do we go from here what is this all 643 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:04,440 gonna mean and it's really hard to say 644 00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:05,880 and that's what's really difficult 645 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,159 because uh when and and this is why I I 646 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:13,440 have been a little bit critical because 647 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:16,919 we're at a stage right now where we need 648 00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,220 those receipts we've got people coming 649 00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:23,039 out who are making extraordinary claims 650 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,100 left and right we have 651 00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:29,880 um you know uh um people who are very 652 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,039 credible coming out and making claims 653 00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,799 left and right but they're just claims 654 00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:36,720 thus far and we don't have the receipts 655 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,520 and you know we're past the time of 656 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,860 making claims and I think the the issue 657 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:42,900 has been ever since that New York Times 658 00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:47,700 2017 uh article that these claims have 659 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,580 persisted now for years and personally 660 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:52,140 being someone who works with the 661 00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:55,020 scientific Community who works with uh 662 00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,900 the media you know they're those are two 663 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,480 uh communities that are very very 664 00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,000 skeptical when it comes to this topic 665 00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,120 and none of this has helped at all in 666 00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:08,400 fact it's hindered because the longer we 667 00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:11,640 go with these extraordinary claims not 668 00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:15,000 being verified The credibility also goes 669 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,299 down and and that's unfortunate I think 670 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:20,520 that we all have noticed that the media 671 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:22,980 has not picked up and have kind of gone 672 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,400 away from the story of UAP mostly 673 00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,559 um until NASA you know did their thing 674 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,960 last week and and you know I think 675 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,820 that's that's great that NASA is not 676 00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:35,760 dropping this but um 677 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,980 The credibility of this topic has really 678 00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:39,960 taken a beating with this information 679 00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,080 not being verified uh and these claims 680 00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,200 just being so bombastic 681 00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:48,779 um so we have to to wait and you know 682 00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,080 another point that I would make is that 683 00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,600 uh and the media sees this is that you 684 00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,279 know a lot of what was in that New York 685 00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:59,580 Times 2017 article by uh Ralph 686 00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,260 Blumenthal and Leslie Kane who also 687 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,640 wrote this 688 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,000 um article was inaccurate and uh for 689 00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:08,340 instance you know it wasn't a tip that 690 00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,700 got to 22 million dollars uh it was a 691 00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:13,980 program called ASAP that was a precursor 692 00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:20,480 to atip ASAP wasn't just a UAP research 693 00:29:27,789 --> 00:29:23,960 uh project it was actually on the face 694 00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,799 uh and advanced weapons analysis project 695 00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:30,179 which you know a ton of Articles had 696 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,440 come out related to that uh and and 697 00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:36,840 but in the background we know from the 698 00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:39,980 guy who ran ASAP lakatski and his book 699 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,419 Skinwalker at the Pentagon it was 700 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:45,360 actually a paranormal project hey look 701 00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:49,500 at I'm back yeah yeah crazy I don't know 702 00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,760 what's going on with this internet but 703 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,559 thank you Alejandro for carrying the 704 00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:55,140 torch here uh hopefully I won't have any 705 00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,820 more issues 706 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,860 with this 707 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,960 but anyways to finish my point that you 708 00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,940 know uh usap turned out to be a 709 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:06,000 paranormal program and you know when we 710 00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:09,720 have uh these people from the ASAP and 711 00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,120 atip and and the same people who work 712 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,399 with UAP task force 713 00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,799 um this group of people and you know 714 00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,720 Stephen Green Street people love to to 715 00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,880 hate on him and uh who writes for the 716 00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:22,559 New York Post and I personally think 717 00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:24,840 that he goes overboard in these very 718 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,419 Sensational to the point that he's also 719 00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:29,760 inaccurate but you know there are people 720 00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:32,580 looking at his information where he's 721 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:34,440 sharing and this is stuff I've written 722 00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:37,080 about for years before him that that was 723 00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,539 a paranormal project and so that kind of 724 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,700 hurts The credibility when the same 725 00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,740 people are telling us Roswell was real 726 00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,679 we're also kind of chasing Bigfoot and 727 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:48,179 doing all the things that you see do 728 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:50,100 they're still doing on the skinwalker 729 00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,480 television show on the History Channel 730 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:53,760 that really undermines The credibility 731 00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:55,559 especially for the scientific community 732 00:31:02,450 --> 00:30:58,679 so it makes it really hard 733 00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,460 um and credibility you know is something 734 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:04,860 you and I as you and I know 735 00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:08,340 is is something that's very precious uh 736 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,299 if you're trying to uh represent this 737 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,399 topic in a credible way 738 00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:15,840 yes 739 00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,559 um there's no need to muddy the waters 740 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:21,840 with the all the real stuff that's going 741 00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:24,840 on so yeah I think um 742 00:31:30,669 --> 00:31:27,779 this is uh I think she wants to know 743 00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,679 what is the content of this story 744 00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,320 we are talking uh we're talking about 745 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,539 The Whistleblower yes but we're also 746 00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,520 talking about 747 00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:40,799 um what what we need 748 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,559 to verify you know I mean to verify 749 00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,200 these things it seems like this guy 750 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:48,539 would have the protection at this point 751 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,059 where he could get these things verified 752 00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,399 because of the Whistleblower I don't 753 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,960 know exactly what it was called but it's 754 00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,600 the ACT where they have amnesty more or 755 00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,559 less 756 00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:59,820 so 757 00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:00,539 um 758 00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:03,779 it seemed to me that this ah go ahead 759 00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,419 I'm sorry this could actually you know 760 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,000 start a ball rolling 761 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,460 in my opinion you know if there may be 762 00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,620 people that he was connected to that say 763 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,480 well 764 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,000 um I'm protected maybe I'll talk about 765 00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:20,640 it and you know I I this could really be 766 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,399 a really good Forward Motion I think 767 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:26,760 it could be if this is all true 768 00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,340 I mean if there really are crash 769 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,100 retrievals which I am completely still 770 00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:34,260 very skeptical of I don't think we have 771 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,559 uh at least of the the crash retrieval 772 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,080 cases the public is aware of I don't 773 00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,480 think we have a good one uh I think the 774 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:44,580 majority of them the best is probably 775 00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:49,440 you know um Shake Harbor uh and and then 776 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,860 Roswell but uh even those you know 777 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,200 there's not a lot of information and 778 00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,320 Roswell I think is sketchy but uh the 779 00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,360 other ones are really bad it gets really 780 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,039 bad from there where you have really 781 00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,200 poor information and just anecdotal 782 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:06,000 information 783 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,620 um that is kind of you know 784 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,840 contradictory at times 785 00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,480 um so we don't have a good uh example of 786 00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,419 a crash case which again so if this is 787 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:17,159 the case and I think someone made the 788 00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:17,940 point 789 00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:19,799 um someone who's written for the debrief 790 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,159 MJ benais uh made the point that you 791 00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,440 know if that happens these guys are 792 00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:27,779 super clumsy and what the heck are they 793 00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:30,299 doing crashing all the time uh which I 794 00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,299 think is yeah so that comes up a lot and 795 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,399 a lot of people say similar things like 796 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,960 how could they possibly have the 797 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,360 technology to get here and crash well 798 00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,760 the only thing I can say to that you 799 00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,919 know and just just speculation 800 00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:46,620 if if there is indeed some type of 801 00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:50,000 crashed vehicles here is that maybe 802 00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:52,919 something they encountered with our 803 00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,360 primitive to their technology somehow uh 804 00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:59,399 interfered with their technology 805 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,320 you know for instance you know the 806 00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,360 speculation of radar 807 00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,980 um you know things that they may not 808 00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:07,380 expect to encounter 809 00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:09,560 um in in normal civilizations maybe 810 00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:12,179 somehow they encounter here you know 811 00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:13,379 I've wondered a lot of things like that 812 00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:14,700 when people are saying that you know 813 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:16,919 aliens are walking around breathing the 814 00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,540 atmosphere I wonder about 815 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,419 are they inoculated you know I mean all 816 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,060 the things that they know you know if 817 00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:25,560 that's the case 818 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,820 um 819 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:29,280 we don't know what an attitude would be 820 00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,080 towards us if for instance they're 821 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,599 indifferent to us they may just come and 822 00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,700 retrieve their people 823 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,460 um and not care who sees what 824 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:40,440 um why do they care if they don't care 825 00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,240 about us or then if that has happened 826 00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,159 because I think we have to remember if 827 00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:48,960 there's a third party involved here if 828 00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,940 there are extraterrestrials visiting 829 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,399 this planet they can expose themselves 830 00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,320 at any moment 831 00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:57,780 um and if they are visiting us then some 832 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:01,619 for some reason they are not wanting to 833 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,280 uh they're being you know elusive 834 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,440 um if that's the case I think 835 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,640 um 836 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,859 well somebody makes a point where the 837 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,240 military shoots at them but we have 838 00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,400 cases in which uh the military is shot 839 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,560 at them and it's had no effect and I 840 00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:17,880 think these are 841 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,619 um some of these are very credible cases 842 00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,900 and I think the most credible cases like 843 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,460 the Nimitz case or the Theodore 844 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:26,000 Roosevelt case or the Washington DC case 845 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,240 uh in 1952 or the Iranian case 846 00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:33,000 um in Tehran you know you have Jets 847 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:36,540 scrambled to go chase these objects uh 848 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,940 these objects have no problem 849 00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,260 outmaneuvering us and then take a take 850 00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,180 off at great speed 851 00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,160 um so I think that's what's interesting 852 00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:47,460 about uh Kirkpatrick of Arrow uh 853 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,099 bringing up in the in his Congressional 854 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:52,560 hearings and at the NASA panel these 855 00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:54,540 metallic orbs that have been being 856 00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,760 observed because that could be the 857 00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:58,320 nature of the phenomena 858 00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,079 um something similar to what Abby Loeb 859 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,079 from Harvard uh and Kirkpatrick 860 00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,839 speculated about in a paper which is the 861 00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:09,240 possibility of you know these or orbs 862 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,060 coming to observe us 863 00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,980 and that they can outmaneuver us and fly 864 00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,480 away 865 00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:17,339 um so they don't really they're they're 866 00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,520 not threatened by us in any way 867 00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,380 um that seems to make sense and I think 868 00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,380 that uh on the surface you know the data 869 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:28,320 we have available to us publicly does 870 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,420 make a strong case for that and I think 871 00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:32,520 Kirkpatrick has even kind of 872 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:33,900 um 873 00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,960 alluded to that sort of thing 874 00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:38,820 um overtly in that paper which was just 875 00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:41,880 speculation but then partially when he's 876 00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,280 talking about these mysterious orbs that 877 00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,859 they they can't make heads or tails of 878 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,420 here's a 879 00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:49,440 uh 880 00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:52,619 this is something that it I I sort of 881 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,359 get where Bill is is going here all 882 00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:56,880 evidence is always classified so it's 883 00:37:03,109 --> 00:36:59,460 more than just claims and I understand 884 00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,119 what he's making by that statement and 885 00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,060 so that is an issue if it is classified 886 00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:08,460 and it could be under the umbrella of 887 00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:11,339 National Security will we ever be able 888 00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,040 to see this evidence to back up these 889 00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:16,440 claims but there's a problem with that 890 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,579 logic is that oh it's classified so it's 891 00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,500 not more than just claims it is just 892 00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:25,200 claims you're right it's classified so 893 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,240 we can't verify that it is more than 894 00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,460 just a claim but that doesn't mean that 895 00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,920 it's more than just a claim 896 00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,800 um it's allegedly classified we don't 897 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,020 know what's classified or not someone 898 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,359 else said hey why doesn't he understand 899 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:41,940 the the Inspector General has been given 900 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,660 uh the information we don't know that we 901 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,280 don't know for a fact the inspector 902 00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:49,920 General's seen anything substantial he 903 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,020 could have been given fake documents he 904 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,200 could have been given false testimony we 905 00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,540 don't know that and again that doesn't 906 00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:59,040 mean that Gersh is the one who's 907 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,839 provided fake documents or false 908 00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:02,400 testimony 909 00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,900 um it just means that he was convinced 910 00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,520 it was real and then shared that 911 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:07,680 information which is probably you know I 912 00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,000 think that we would all agree a 913 00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,400 responsible thing for him to do so he 914 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,500 can be a good actor in all of this and 915 00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:14,640 still 916 00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:16,920 um not have accurate information that is 917 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,980 entirely possible and people are like ah 918 00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,140 somebody says oh come on but we've seen 919 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,359 this in the past you know we've seen 920 00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,320 some of these same individuals that uh 921 00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,300 have worked with the UAP task force or 922 00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,240 at least with ASAP you know we're fooled 923 00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:35,880 by Dodie Richard Dodie and the false 924 00:38:41,650 --> 00:38:38,280 information that he shared they were 925 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:41,660 fooled by uh some of them the Roswell 926 00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:45,900 information that the Roswell uh um 927 00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:48,960 uh autopsy and thought they were real 928 00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:51,420 they were also some of them fooled by 929 00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:54,540 Lazar some of that group believes Lazar 930 00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:58,260 is real so I I do not mean to disparage 931 00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,180 any of these people by saying that some 932 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,700 of these people I consider friends I'm 933 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:05,160 just saying that you know 934 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:06,540 um just because they believe something 935 00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,720 is true doesn't mean it is true we need 936 00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,820 the receipts until we get the receipts 937 00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:13,920 we don't know for sure they're just 938 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,740 claims to your point any of these 939 00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:18,480 substantial claims are are classified 940 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,859 and they're certainly classified 941 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:22,500 information out there that we have not 942 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,140 seen yet Congress has told us that but 943 00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,760 we don't know what that information is 944 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,599 yet 945 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,240 when you say the receipts are you 946 00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,460 meaning documents that relate directly 947 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,599 to 948 00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,480 you know a classified documents I mean 949 00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,579 yeah some sort of document Something 950 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:40,079 official 951 00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,780 um whether that be uh you know Arrow 952 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:44,579 coming out and saying we verified this 953 00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,060 it's real uh Congress coming out or 954 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:49,680 someone else coming out and saying we've 955 00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:53,940 verified it and it's real uh or 956 00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,579 or a document that demonstrate this is 957 00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,680 real it's funny because someone says 958 00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:00,720 that I seem bitter 959 00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,980 um it's interesting that you say that 960 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,839 because I don't feel better 961 00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:05,880 um I don't know Martin if you think I've 962 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,520 come across bitter but uh I would say 963 00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:11,280 perhaps that I am a little frustrated in 964 00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:12,359 that 965 00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:16,740 trying to 966 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:17,520 um 967 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,140 thing that a claim is just a claim until 968 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,960 it's substantiated uh and just because 969 00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,880 it's allegedly classified doesn't mean 970 00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:28,920 it is classified 971 00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,599 um and there are there is information 972 00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:33,000 that has been classified that is 973 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,440 inaccurate 974 00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,960 um also but it's classified because it 975 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:40,079 can be disruptive in some way 976 00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,280 um or misrepresent the situation so 977 00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,740 um what the heck someone's talking about 978 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,200 Wheat Ridge Farmers I was a Wheat Ridge 979 00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:51,359 farmer Wheat Ridge High School we were 980 00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,820 the farmers oh you're kidding rich 981 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,040 farmer someone knows you from uh from 982 00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:58,400 high school maybe 983 00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,980 so hey um so I'm gonna allow the people 984 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:03,900 we're going to be talking about Enigma 985 00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,660 Labs here in a few minutes but I'm going 986 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,940 to allow the people if you have a 987 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,920 question that you'd like to throw in 988 00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:11,760 there 989 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:14,520 um please make it a good question and 990 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,880 uh and make it in all caps if you would 991 00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:20,280 so so we catch it but 992 00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:25,670 oh yeah I mean this is this will get us 993 00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:26,940 off track but 994 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,160 um having either one of us yes I do talk 995 00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:30,720 about my encounter I really don't want 996 00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,839 to take up the time uh in this but thank 997 00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:35,280 you for asking 998 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:37,079 um had it told it many times in this 999 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,940 podcast mine was rather a boring 1000 00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:40,740 encounter but it was enough to get me 1001 00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:43,079 here in this seat so mine's boring too 1002 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:45,300 and I've told it on your podcast too I'm 1003 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:46,740 sure 1004 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:48,599 um definitely I've told you on the air 1005 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,720 if not on my podcast or yours so um I 1006 00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:53,760 want poor people either go look it up 1007 00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:55,560 but I have had a setting like you 1008 00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:59,640 nothing that exciting yeah yeah well uh 1009 00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,980 let's see here's a here's what I think 1010 00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,900 is a good question will Congress share 1011 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,579 what they find 1012 00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,400 I think that's a great question and I 1013 00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,560 think that's another question that um 1014 00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:12,839 people don't realize so the Pentagon is 1015 00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,540 part of the executive branch of the 1016 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,619 government 1017 00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:18,180 um and then uh of course you have the 1018 00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,820 Congressional branch of the government 1019 00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,619 Congress would have to ask the executive 1020 00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,660 to share the information if they came 1021 00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:27,060 across something but the executive could 1022 00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,440 take them and that's what these 1023 00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:30,300 classified briefings are these 1024 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:32,099 classified briefings that we've seen 1025 00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,700 them have is the Pentagon saying hey 1026 00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:37,500 here's some information we can share 1027 00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,780 with you but this is classified 1028 00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:41,579 information that we think needs to 1029 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,900 remain classified and Congress typically 1030 00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,160 agrees you're right this information 1031 00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,619 does have to remain classified so it 1032 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,960 does remain classified when it comes to 1033 00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,540 these Arrow briefings I believe that the 1034 00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:56,339 classifying information more has to do 1035 00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,339 with foreign technology than it does uh 1036 00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,220 with alien technology but it could be 1037 00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,339 that you know that the the Congress 1038 00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:07,980 approaches the executive and they say 1039 00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,140 here's what's going on and we just don't 1040 00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,000 think it's wise to share this and here's 1041 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:14,040 why in Congress agrees 1042 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,780 um until Congress decides not to share 1043 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:18,240 that information either and that's not 1044 00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:21,060 unprecedented in that you know Congress 1045 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,680 is not shared 1046 00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,540 the information that they've heard in 1047 00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,000 the classified UAP briefings 1048 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,560 and 1049 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:30,660 um even though they say it's compelling 1050 00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:32,280 and they think some of it should be 1051 00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:36,359 shared uh and I'm you know and it must 1052 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,700 be compelling because every single 1053 00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,680 Congress member who has gone into these 1054 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,200 classified briefings have come out 1055 00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,839 saying this is a serious topic and we 1056 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,700 need to investigate this so they're 1057 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,980 seeing some really interesting stuff but 1058 00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:51,900 they're not sharing it so Congress could 1059 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,579 choose not to share it 1060 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:55,920 you know I think the umbrella of 1061 00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:58,920 National Security can be pretty big so 1062 00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:02,640 I'm just I with that being said you know 1063 00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,740 I don't have a real high confidence that 1064 00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:06,780 we're going to know 1065 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,540 a lot you know someone wrote In Here 1066 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,280 does this mean there's going to be 1067 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,440 disclosure 1068 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,960 um you know I I don't know I don't think 1069 00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,760 by our government that you know 1070 00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,440 obviously when this Pentagon made a 1071 00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:21,839 statement like they did yesterday 1072 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:24,060 um there's they're not they don't seem 1073 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,220 to be heading any particular you know I 1074 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,599 mean 1075 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,760 go ahead I was just going to say the 1076 00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,900 person who asked the Congress question 1077 00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,520 had a follow-up question that's also 1078 00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,500 good can a congress person go Rogue and 1079 00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,780 share even if not 1080 00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:38,700 um approval by the executive yes they 1081 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,920 could but they're not gonna again 1082 00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,540 they're just gonna be claims at that 1083 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:43,680 point 1084 00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:45,960 um unless they decide to go public with 1085 00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:48,300 some documents but then they are are 1086 00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,819 taking a huge risk they could 1087 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,800 um go to jail for that just like any 1088 00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,200 other person so 1089 00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,900 um that is possible 1090 00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,359 and someone wants to know uh what agency 1091 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:02,940 basically decides something is from off 1092 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,700 Planet versus drone Tech I mean that's 1093 00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,560 another great question and that's 1094 00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:10,560 another problem and and here's why I say 1095 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,140 that's a problem is that like I talked 1096 00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:15,180 about it's difficult to do science in 1097 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,660 these sap programs and you know 1098 00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,119 um I believe that for instance the 1099 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,800 information Jeremy Corbell and George 1100 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,140 Knapp are sharing is most likely coming 1101 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,020 from former UAP task force people who 1102 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:30,900 believe those cases are 1103 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,540 um unidentified but a couple of those 1104 00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:35,700 cases have been debunked and they were 1105 00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:39,900 not unidentified so we've got to rely on 1106 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,420 the veracity 1107 00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:44,160 um or the 1108 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,940 um rigor of the investigation that was 1109 00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,160 done by the military and they could be 1110 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,680 wrong and uh that's why I think the 1111 00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,720 scientific Community most likely NASA 1112 00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:56,819 itself and this is the path that 1113 00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:59,099 Kirkpatrick wants to take is that if 1114 00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:00,660 they do find anything they think is 1115 00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:02,819 truly anomalous then they'll pass that 1116 00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:05,819 on to NASA to come confirm whether or 1117 00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,339 not it's anomalous I think that even 1118 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:10,500 though that's not a hard procedure at 1119 00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:13,380 this point but it is what the direction 1120 00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:15,540 Kirkpatrick wants to go I think that's 1121 00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:18,119 the way it would go publicly anyway I 1122 00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,500 think that NASA and the scientific 1123 00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,960 Community would want to verify any of 1124 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:24,300 these military claims 1125 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:25,560 okay 1126 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,859 um here is uh the question I imagine is 1127 00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:31,020 uh supposedly he did testify under oath 1128 00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,819 and brought 1129 00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:35,280 um you know some documents with him and 1130 00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:37,020 is this the first time somebody has said 1131 00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:39,060 this under oath this very particular 1132 00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,500 thing it's hard to know we wouldn't 1133 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,200 really know exactly the only other 1134 00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:45,480 situation that we know of would be Eric 1135 00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:47,160 Davis 1136 00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,380 um you know we have been confirmed that 1137 00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,740 Eric Davis has briefed uh the Congress 1138 00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,720 and 1139 00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,119 um but again Eric Davis just had second 1140 00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,640 hand information I think Chris Mellon 1141 00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,800 put it best back then when Eric Davis 1142 00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:03,540 talked to Congress and he said something 1143 00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:06,900 similar in his political uh opinion 1144 00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,900 piece that was also uh picked up by uh 1145 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:11,880 Newsweek just a couple weeks ago or was 1146 00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:13,140 it it might have been just last week 1147 00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,060 where he said you know this is 1148 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:18,540 information that is alleged 1149 00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,180 um but that they have enough information 1150 00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,619 uh Congress has enough information now 1151 00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:25,319 to go investigate to try to confirm that 1152 00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:26,579 information 1153 00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,119 and here's another question here uh I 1154 00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:34,079 personally don't know so I can't I can't 1155 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:35,880 really speculate on this myself I don't 1156 00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:37,020 know what you think 1157 00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:39,240 yeah it's the same as with the rest of 1158 00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,500 all of this 1159 00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:42,119 um we just don't know 1160 00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:46,319 um again it's a claim that is very very 1161 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,560 um uh Fringe bombastic and I don't say 1162 00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,800 that to to be despairing and I say that 1163 00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,540 a lot because I don't say it for that 1164 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,300 reason but I do say it because I see 1165 00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,800 this from the perspective of the 1166 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,020 traditional scientific community and 1167 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,880 media and that is going to make them 1168 00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,440 hesitate 1169 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,480 um when they hear claims like that 1170 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:10,079 right all right well uh I think we 1171 00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:11,940 should talk about I know you've got to 1172 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,500 go I've got to go get ready for my next 1173 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,920 show with uh Tony Harris from the proof 1174 00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:18,839 is out there is coming right up after 1175 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:20,280 this show 1176 00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:21,420 um so 1177 00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:23,819 let's talk about ending the labs 1178 00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:25,560 that's something we're heavily involved 1179 00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:26,460 in 1180 00:48:31,069 --> 00:48:28,859 yeah Enigma Labs I'm the head of content 1181 00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:31,079 and research for enigma Labs uh very 1182 00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,300 exciting you know you can go to Enigma 1183 00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,960 Enigma laps.io and see more about it but 1184 00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,480 we're essentially trying to help NASA 1185 00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,040 says they need more data and that's what 1186 00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,619 we're trying to do is gather data uh via 1187 00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:45,839 an app and our website 1188 00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:49,859 um we have the app out so go if you have 1189 00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,700 an an Apple phone go to uh the Apple 1190 00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,220 Store and search Enigma labs and you can 1191 00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,740 download our app and you'll see a very 1192 00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:01,680 cool map with uh thousands and thousands 1193 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,380 of UAP sightings you can click on them 1194 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,480 and get more information you'll notice 1195 00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:08,339 some of those sightings have a big 1196 00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,579 circle uh a bigger Circle those are ones 1197 00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:13,560 where you can click those and you're 1198 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,740 going to get a full-on article that is 1199 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,200 cited uh I think our articles are some 1200 00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,180 of the best out there about these cases 1201 00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:23,040 including the cases that I reviewed 1202 00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:24,920 earlier that I think are very credible 1203 00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,200 with tons of links to where you can find 1204 00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:31,440 more information about those uh cases 1205 00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:34,619 kind of Wikipedia style including all of 1206 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,819 the uh um government documents one of 1207 00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,980 the uh cases that I think is is really 1208 00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,839 exciting is we have an article on UAP 1209 00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,880 and nukes and a lot of people are 1210 00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,619 familiar with the work of Robert 1211 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,440 Hastings however who kind of brought a 1212 00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:51,119 lot of this to light to the to the more 1213 00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,599 contemporary UFO researchers but 1214 00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:57,720 the people who brought up UAP and nukes 1215 00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:02,760 as an issue was the Army the CIA the Air 1216 00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:04,859 Force at the very beginning this is 1217 00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:07,800 during the Blue Book years that you can 1218 00:50:12,730 --> 00:50:10,560 that um this became an issue this 1219 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:12,740 article you'll find at 1220 00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:16,140 enigmalabs.io so a lot of people are are 1221 00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,940 kind of saying oh these guys are part of 1222 00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:19,200 the government some people are saying 1223 00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,760 why aren't you sharing your relationship 1224 00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:23,040 with the government what we have 1225 00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,140 um you know Susan Goff the same one who 1226 00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:28,140 spoke about Arrow earlier has said that 1227 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,780 you know they are evaluating us 1228 00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:32,400 um to use us 1229 00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,540 um to help them gather data uh and um so 1230 00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,520 we're very excited about that 1231 00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,260 um you know it also came out in Politico 1232 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:42,599 that we were part of a NASA 1233 00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:45,180 um conference where we shared data with 1234 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:46,319 them 1235 00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:48,359 um so yeah so we are taking this very 1236 00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:49,800 seriously and working with different 1237 00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,440 organizations to um help them gather 1238 00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,920 data and gather citing information 1239 00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,359 um you know some people the more 1240 00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:59,579 conspiratorial types 1241 00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,559 who are wondering about the data it's 1242 00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,599 the same kind of thing you know my whole 1243 00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,119 career in this field has been writing or 1244 00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:09,119 sharing information and 1245 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,980 um and that's what we're doing at Enigma 1246 00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,140 labs for instance these articles that I 1247 00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,660 just told you about I mean if we were 1248 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:17,520 really part of some kind of conspiracy 1249 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:20,040 would we be writing an article with 1250 00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,780 links to all the government documents 1251 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:22,800 about how it was the government 1252 00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,800 themselves who you know identified that 1253 00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:28,140 UAP seemed to be around nuclear 1254 00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,359 facilities more than others in fact it 1255 00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,280 was a big concern I highly recommend 1256 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,099 people go to Enigma Labs at i o and and 1257 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:38,160 go to the library and read that article 1258 00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:40,020 um and you know even with the sightings 1259 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,700 if you submit your signing of course 1260 00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:43,920 just legit sightings please if you 1261 00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:45,660 submit your signing you'll see it pop up 1262 00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:46,980 on the map 1263 00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,900 um so you'll see that transparency where 1264 00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,819 you'll see that that data being put out 1265 00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,920 there so we're all about sharing the 1266 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,260 data and information 1267 00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,640 um so 1268 00:52:02,270 --> 00:51:59,040 um yeah that's great well I'll tell the 1269 00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,280 audience said I down in this YouTube and 1270 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:05,520 under of the text of the show when I put 1271 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,760 this out as a podcast we'll have the app 1272 00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,760 link and the show link so if you click 1273 00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,500 on that it'll go right it'll ask you to 1274 00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,839 open your and we're working on Android 1275 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,460 there are a couple people who are like 1276 00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,160 why is that cool so sorry about that um 1277 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,200 I'm Not The Tech Guy I'm not a coder so 1278 00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:23,940 I'm not sure why it's easier to do Apple 1279 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,280 first but we will be on Android soon 1280 00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:30,000 yeah yeah excellent Alejandro well in 1281 00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:31,500 closing 1282 00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,819 um I don't know if there's anything we 1283 00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,160 can say 1284 00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,079 yes I do in closing this is a great 1285 00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:39,780 question Mike Adams says why are the 1286 00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:41,099 initial reports saying that the 1287 00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:43,460 government authorized his coming forward 1288 00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,980 that is a misnomer so that's a little 1289 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:49,680 bit of confusion there what he is saying 1290 00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,260 is that the government okayed him to say 1291 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,900 the things that he is saying that 1292 00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:56,640 doesn't mean that they're saying they're 1293 00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,839 true what it means is that that 1294 00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,359 um they're saying that he isn't 1295 00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:05,819 revealing any classified information and 1296 00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:07,819 we've seen this in the past with movies 1297 00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:10,740 with uh you know you may remember Chase 1298 00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,619 Brandon yes wrote a book and that was 1299 00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:15,599 also looked at by this and I've been 1300 00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:17,880 part of projects uh many projects 1301 00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,300 working with military people where the 1302 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:23,220 government will look it over 1303 00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,740 to give it a thumbs up to say it's okay 1304 00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,839 but they're not looking for accuracy 1305 00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,180 they're not verifying the claims they're 1306 00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:32,280 just making sure there's no classified 1307 00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:34,700 information that shouldn't be out there 1308 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,040 included in these claims so right 1309 00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,440 um that's what that is all right great 1310 00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:42,660 Point all right Alejandro thank you so 1311 00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,059 much I really appreciate it and good 1312 00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:47,880 luck with uh with Enigma Labs again I'm 1313 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,260 going to put all that information for 1314 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:52,020 people so they can see that all right 1315 00:53:56,569 --> 00:53:53,880 thanks very much for those of you 1316 00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:56,579 watching live don't forget uh right at 1317 00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,220 seven o'clock Eastern uh Tony Harris 1318 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,440 from the proof is out there we'll be on 1319 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:04,020 thanks so much Alejandro my pleasure 1320 00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:18,950 [Music] 1321 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,990 thank you